That can be a strong pointer that one needs to do limbic system retraining. The most well-known programs for limbic system retraining are what’s known as DNRS or dynamic neural retraining system, which is being developed by Annie Hopper. Secondly, The Gupta Program, which is my namesake, Dr. Ashok Gupta in the UK. He’s a great guy, and he also refers to it as the amygdala and insula retraining system. I believe Annie Hopper system is more delivered either by face-to-face or by DVDs, and the Gupta program is mainly online. Both of them have a cost of somewhere between $300 to $500. I’ve found that it’s a very, very worthwhile investment.
Let’s see, I think you had one slide here as well on the basic approach to treatment. Maybe we can talk about that for a brief moment before we move on to a couple of other questions.
Dr. Sandeep Gupta
As we’ve already talked about treatment to a large degree, and I’m just going to, again, emphasize the fact that removal from water damaged exposures is very, very important. If you’re not sure you’re getting exposed, one thing you can do for free is to do a mold sabbatical. As we said, the mold sabbatical will often tell you once you then re-expose yourself to the building, it’ll often tell you whether you are reacting to your particular home. Therefore will tell you whether more efforts need to be put in to remediating or relocating. That’s number one. I think that’s the most important as we’ve already said. The second thing is toxin binders, and we’ve already talked about the fact that cholestyramine and Welchol are probably the most strong binders, but we’ve now got other natural binders such as charcoal, bentonite clay, zeolite, chitosan and the list goes on and on.
There’s also a range of different toxin binders mixes. There’s one called Tox-Ease Bind, for instance, which is from Beyond Balance. There’s Ultra Binder, which is from Quicksilver and there’s a range of other ones. I think the key is, that you need to be on at least two different toxin binders, but in many cases, having three different toxin binders is a good idea. Because you’re then going to have a broad net in terms of the different mycotoxins that you’re able to capture. This is a really important step. I’ll also add to this that detoxification support is very, very useful. If you’re using toxin binders you need to make sure there’s enough bile being secreted by your liver and gallbladder. One thing that can help that is the use of cholagogue herbs or coffee enemas.
If you’re doing coffee enemas regularly, that’s going to greatly help with the excretion of bile. Then the use of supplements like I discussed before with things like calcium D-glucarate and glutathione and glycine may also greatly enhance the detoxification capacities of your liver. Then moving on to step three, is MARCoNS or fungal colonization. We’re really taking a much more broad view of the nasal biome now, and not just thinking of MARCoNS as the ultimate enemy, and really just thinking of disruption of the nasal microbiome on the whole. It may well be that for some people, MARCoNS is a significant factor in their dysbiosis, and in other people it may be more fungal, the type of dysbiosis. Therefore, using natural agents has become much more the go-to and using colloidal silver and or EDTA, or even antifungal medication such as Nystatin or amphotericin nasal sprays has been used.
Then also using nasal probiotics, once you’ve done the killing, appears to be a very holistic way of doing things. The more recent way of looking at this issue is that MARCoNS may not need to be eradicated totally. It just needs to be addressed to some degree, and it’s possible it may not be able to be eradicated totally. We just really focus on bringing balance back into the nasal biome. Then in the gastrointestinal tract, really the protocol is very similar. We use herbs, we use antifungal medications when needed. We really emphasize the importance of a low sugar and low carb diet. For some people, ketogenic is very useful. Then the use of prebiotics and probiotics ideally guided by a microbiome test. All of those things together can lead to a very good outcome on gastrointestinal level.
Lastly, we have inflammation correction. We want to try and reduce neuroinflammation particularly, and that’s using things like fish oil or other types of Omega-3 oils, low amylase and anti-inflammatory diet, resveratrol and curcumin are very important. Limbic system and vagus nerve support, one thing I didn’t mention about them, is they actually reduce inflammation in the system. Therefore, I believe that they are a very, very important part of the treatment protocol for most people. Then we have increasing neurogenesis via the use of VIP. There’s also a nasal spray called Synapsin, which contains a NAD precursor called nicotinamide riboside, lifestyle factors such as exercise, vitamin D and sun, lithium, lion’s mane, Bacopa, the list is endless actually. The other really important thing I’ll add in here is that mast cell activation [MCAS] should be addressed if present.
If that seems overwhelming, that is the beauty of this course, the MIMS-2 course, is really breaking it down, trying to simplify these concepts. This is a big overview of all of the different steps that one could go through. There’s a tremendous amount of information in the course that really goes much deeper. I want to actually, as we start wrapping up and jumping more into the Q&A from listeners, I want to ask you a more philosophical question, and maybe you can stop your screen share there so we can get into this one. So, what is the role of illness? And when we go through something like chronic Lyme disease or CIRS or mold illness, is there meaning in our suffering? Does it lead to personal growth or evolution at some level? Would you personally change your own illness journey if you could?
Dr. Sandeep Gupta
That’s a great question. I remember going through mold illness myself in 2014, and it felt like my whole world had come to an end. It seemed like the expenses were never ending. It looked like recovery was almost impossible because just getting away from mold was so physically difficult. I remember at the time thinking that finding meaning through that journey was going to be hard. Even just being able to get back into a lifestyle which I enjoyed was going to be difficult. However, through that whole journey, well, for me personally, I’ve learned about CIRS, mold illness, Lyme disease, and other illnesses and it’s absolutely transformed my personal world.
I’ve seen that for many other mold illness patients, despite how difficult it is at the time, I’ve found that they can get through this process and find meaning on the other side. Often I’ve found that there’s a lot of personal growth that takes place. And that’s been the case for me too. If you were to ask me personally, would I take away, if someone could press the rewind button and just delete my mold illness journey from my life journey, would I want to do that? I would actually say no at this point. I would say, no, leave it in. It’s given me so many wonderful benefits and given me so much growth. I hope that’s encouraging for those to hear who may be right in the midst of it right now.
I know it may not feel positive right at the moment, that it may feel extremely overwhelming and disheartening. However, hang in there and try and see if you can find some clarity from this call and from whichever course you may want to do. Once you can find clarity and once you can get a degree of confidence in a treatment protocol, then try to get and work your way through that. Slowly you’ll find that you should be able to recover and get through to a whole different sense of meaning on the other side of life. I really wish people the best who are suffering from this illness.
I, 100% agree with you in terms of there are gifts that happen from this journey. I also would not go back if I had that option. I want to ask you, kind of end here before we jump into the other Q&A piece, with giving people some hope, these conditions, mold illness, CIRS can feel so overwhelming. They can feel hopeless. I personally feel like there’s more hope now than ever that the field is really evolving, that I’m seeing community of doctors and practitioners fully working well together. What are some of the things you can share to provide people that are in the midst of this journey with some real hope?
Dr. Sandeep Gupta
What I’ve seen in my management of thousands of patients with these conditions, is that almost every month there are new treatment options coming out. There’s really an amazing community worldwide. Just the other day I heard of a new treatment, or just yesterday, I heard of a treatment called Lyme N, I’d never heard of, and various other different innovations which are coming up all the time. I think this does provide hope in that we can think that there’s a group of people all around the world who are trying to break down this area and make it easier. One really important innovation in this field has been the use of disulfiram, I want to mention very quickly, and I feel that gives a lot of hope for tick-borne illness patients, in that, previously where many people were on herbs or antibiotics almost seemingly endlessly, all of a sudden we’ve got a tool which seems to be able to be used often for somewhere from 9 to 12 months or so.
In many cases you’re able to stop that medication and be able to maintain remission. Somehow disulfiram appears to be taking away the conditions from the human body, which seem to promote the presence of tick-borne illness. I feel very hopeful now that that solution has been brought in. I think there’s a range of other solutions in the area of mold illness. I think the whole group of mold doctors around the world, and I want to give a shout out to Dr. Mary Ackerly, Dr. Jill Carnahan and Dr. Lauren Tessier and various other physicians around the world who are really working to make this protocol and this area of illness easier for patients and making it easier to recover. I do think it’s now easier to recover than ever before now that we’ve got a more broad view of mold illness and we have all these tools available to us that we didn’t in the past. So, there’s most certainly hope, a lot of hope for people, and I hope you can take that in and feel it.
Yeah. It’s actually interesting in the context of this discussion that disulfiram is also antifungal. I’ve often wondered how much of its benefit is simply Borrelia, Bartonella, the Babesia. Maybe not Bartonella so much, but that arena versus is it also having some effect on fungal colonization? I think there’s a lot to be learned about it, that definitely a lot of things, as you pointed out, the speed at which new tools and new insights and new understandings are happening is really the fastest that I’ve seen in my 23 years of journeying through this experience.